The Perpetual Motion Machine

Novice Aussie and Handler's Training Diary

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Welcome to my training journal! Below, you'll see a Tag Cloud. Most posts are tagged appropriately for ease of use. To the right, you'll notice Categories as well. You can also have a notice of new posts sent to your inbox. Please realize that i'm not a trainer nor dispense advice based on years of experience. This is my training journal, that i reference often - not a teaching journal. Though i hope you'll enjoy it just the same. Namaste. ~ amyinseattle

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  • Dog is Wise…

    Posted By on September 6, 2011

    Let’s get the hard part over with.  I drove to San Diego on whim once.  So driving to Spokane and back to Seattle randomly it just one of those things.  It happens. :)

    I went out with the plan of teaching myself to sit and watch.  I realized not long ago that i’ve never gone to an ASCA trial and just watched.  Take it all in, and see the trial the way a competitor does.  It might help me present a better trial?

    In a moment of Deja Vu, i went back to the handlers to say “hi” and the next thing i knew i was helping to sort sheep and asking if adding Molly to the mix would be too many dogs? This happens fairly often… i just can’t seem to sit and watch like a normal person.  Anyway.

    The setup at Black Sheep is not one that i’ve ever seen anywhere else.  Stock are presorted into groups and then the alley way is partitioned as there are not enough holding pens for the number of stock.  As one group goes out, everyone is moved up one space.  The last two spaces before the take pen are metal sided boxes with sliders that separate.  They always remind me of something you’d use in calf roping or similar – though i’ve never seen the stock handling side of calf roping.  Each star in the diagram indicates where a dog/handler team were located along the way.  Up front was Ron and Tigr/Kiki, then me and Molly and finally Randy and Ben.

    With everything being solid sided in those last two spaces before the Take Pen you have two options to move your stock: you can use your stockstick to encourage them or use a dog to create pressure.  While using your dog *sounds* easy enough the space is only about 4″ high.   After a lot of cajoling, including me on my hands and knees trying to get Molly to look underneath – which there are no pictures of.  Thank doG.  She did however, watch Tigr the Open Border Collie stick her little red nose under there and wanted to know why.  Little black nose went down, stock moved, dog was praised and the habit begins establishment.

    The goal was always to have her do what she needed to do to move the stock. Not necessarily to get into the chute, but if that’s what she thinks she needs to do i’ll give her latitude.  After a little work, she started sliding under the divider and would stand into the middle and push them at. It was interesting watching her learn how to manage her power standing still.  Molly’s power is typically by movement, but it’s hard to move in a bitty box.  At first she went from zero to head – which isn’t the best solution.  Don’t be confused by us all being happy that the stock is stressed.  Molly has traditionally not been the ‘tough dog’.  You can bring that behavior down and shape it – but it’s hard to build in.  In time though she started to use move eye, more of the cow moving skills that we worked on at Summer Spectacular.  Holding her ground until the stock turns and then releasing pressure.  Being fair to everyone.

    The last task after moving the groups in the chute up, was to take the newer group from the last holding pen and putting them into the chute.  Even though Molly has been doing take pen work, i was concerned about her moving light trial sheep and something not going well.  i do like to be careful with other people’s sets. What you may not see in the end of this video because of the additional fencing is that she is backing the sheep up into it’s group.  This was not unusual and allowed us to practice that slow methodical walk up and stay to hold.  As a side note, i did try to down her a few times, but realized about the third time that she didn’t take the command that if she did lie down and release any pressure those sheep would have run over her.  She stood quietly and never dove in.

    We got a lot of nice compliments, which i loved.  A competitor came back to watch just in time for me to accidentally let a sheep (another brown sheep come to think of it!) down the alley instead of going into the chute.  Molly was hot on her tail, turned her before the end of the alley and stopped completely. Then walked her up slow and careful back to pen and finally her chute.  Thankfully the competitor missed the part where i was on my hands and knees trying to get Molly to nose under the chute… only realize that she was disinterested because the sheep had already left.  I’d like to imagine Molly’s thought bubble read “are you ok?” and not “are you blind?”. :)

    Dog is wise…

    Black sheep asc

    Posted By on September 4, 2011

    I’m working on a larger post about our adventure at BSASC, but after watching the videos a few times it’s obvious to me that a diagram is required to give context.

    Since i’m trying out the fancy blog app on the new smart phone… I can really draw now.  Later today maybe, tomorrow for sure.

    I did want to post what a great tome we had.  John and randy and hope and Ron and everyone were so understanding and gracious letting us help.  Even though I drove back from Spokane that night – I was totally jazzed at the great work Molly did.

    Was pretty awesome.  TY Black Sheep!

    The Definition of Insanity

    Posted By on July 3, 2011

    “The definition of insanity is to the same thing over and over, expecting different results” Unknown(really, look at the link!).

    Molly and I have had a strange relationship with cows. At first, she was an epic fail. Flat flat flat – when she actually tried to interact. Which made me start to wonder if she’d every actually turn on to cows. Then on a whim i used her a little in larger pen spaces with calves at April and she started to maybe sparkle a little. She wasn’t “on” the way that you always hear about dogs turning on to cows:

    She just ran right at them. It was amazing. I was so scared

    Or something like that.

    At April, Molly was a little timid and defensive, but not freaked out. Just not so interested that I thought she’d ever get real presence.

    Mea Culpa, Molly Moo. We tried things a different way and got different results. Everyone act surprised so i can feel better please. :)

    First, the disclaimer – If I had been in the cattle pens alone i would have never done this as i’ve not started a dog on cows by myself. I had an experienced and well respected trainer/handler/friend in the cow pens and i didn’t intend to use her in the trial pens. More importantly, those were ‘his’ pens and would have not hesitated to kick me out if there was anything inappropriate going on that might skew the runs or similar.

    We found in the cattle pens when we were running low on ‘fresh’ cows we needed a little dog pressure just outside the pen to get that last set to walk in without a lot of work (this is why we use dogs on stock remember, it is supposed to make less work). Since our dog choices were Abject Power and Molly, i told my handler-mate that the cows might not move off her but we’d give it a shot. All they needed though was a little pressure… and pressure off. Cake, right? Right.

    With a little victory, and some breakfast I grabber her leash and started bringing her in with me to do my job. First not making it a big deal that she was there. Molly has a good Follow, which also means not to interact with the stock. We got cows out of the repen, moved them into the group of ‘used’ cows and then eventually when we needed a little dog pressure to move the last fresh set into the pen, we used her again inside the pen this time.

    And we both had more confidence.

    Then we upgraded to really using her (still on leash) and showing her what i wanted from her. The take pen work we’d been doing really shined. She took her flank and got to the back of the pen nicely. Still a little timid, but as the ‘used’ section grew, the cows started to try to stare her down. At this point i was out of my element. My first thought was to just let her go to head and be done with it. My handler-mate explained how to teach her to hold the gaze, win the stare down and release the pressure – essentially to be fair to the cow. Molly got good at this before my timing got better, but eventually she was staring down pretty consistently.

    She did have one good tussle and rolled under a cow – no contact, but she was under and inbetween legs. You’d think that with that, little miss would have given up. However after that i started to drop her lead when moving the cows from the repen to the ‘used’ section and she had a real confidence about her. I started dropping the lead more, and she was really making herself quite useful.

    I can haz move cow.

    She did a great job today and got porkribs for her hard work.   We’ll try again tomorrow and see how things move along!

    Too Much Video?

    Posted By on June 14, 2011

    Since it’s been a while since i really worked Nutty, i made a point to video as much as i could.  Also, i was really looking forward to working her.  I know it might sound odd, but i missed working her.  It’s a bit Zen-ish for me.  Anyway, we used some heavyish sheep and started putting together the pieces of a take pen.

    Starting out

    So in this first video, we can see that she’s a bit unsure about getting in the pen. It’s a confidence thing that will pass. Before anyone asks, no i’m not dragging her or choking her by her collar. I’m not even gripping it. Just slid a finger underneath it to help guide her. Now, what i *should* have been doing was having her stop on the 3rd pole (back left) instead of between the two poles. But whatever. For the first while i used her to put them out of the pen and then used her to put them away. The last few seconds are interesting as at first she can’t deal with the pressure, then after releasing the pressure comes back in towards the sheep and finds success in moving them. Which is a nice little win.

    Here, i’m using my body to push her out on the outrun and bring the sheep back. More importantly, we’re not doing ring around the handler in the take pen as i’m backing up to the right place to get the idea of her sheep going into the pen correctly. And she’s not coming into the pen to do it.


    We’re starting to put things together here. The sheep come out rather smoothly, and we start the process of moving along the fence.
    And finally, sheep come out, move around and put them away.


    you’ll notice there is a lot of me lieing her down and Liieee and all that. the last video where we had a discussion about not crowding the sheep didn’t record properly. But after that we were fine and repeated this a few different times changing direction and such.

    Superfun!

    Outtakes:

    When Nutty just had to poop…

    But they’re supposed to be in there! (the joys of a smart dog)

    Really need to be smarter than the stock to do this….

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